Dedicated Services

[kbldawg]

I have a customer looking at getting a dedicated wireless link in the amount of 5 - 10 mb/ps.

Currently they are using between 3 - 5 mb/ps at any given time. They want to be able to upgrade in the future up to 10mb.

They also need 16 statics IPs.

I was curious as to what you guys would charge for this type of service?

Just looking for a ball park number, nothing firm.

[lonnie]

We have serveral guys like that and we charge $900 CDN per month and a $2,500 install fee, per end.

We pretty much do a dedicated cicuit for them.

[jeff]

We have serveral guys like that and we charge $900 CDN per month and a $2,500 install fee, per end.

We pretty much do a dedicated cicuit for them.

Wow, I would pretty much think I had died and gone to heaven for numbers like that. I would be happy with half that.

[kbldawg]

Interesting, thanks!

[lonnie]

It is all relative. Instead of a $500 circuit I pay $3,500. It gets passed on and everybody bears the burden based on how much they really need the circuit.

Wow, I would pretty much think I had died and gone to heaven for numbers like that. I would be happy with half that.

[tog]

When you are the "last-mile" provider as well as the backbone provider $100/mo/mbit for a dedicated connection is extremely reasonable.

For us, dedicated connection also means they're on my monitoring system and even while I sleep I could be awakened by a pager message telling me they are down. They get 24/7 monitoring and quick proactive attention.

[jeff]

It is all relative. Instead of a $500 circuit I pay $3,500. It gets passed on and everybody bears the burden based on how much they really need the circuit.

Yep, all relative. I pay $5800 for our fiber. If you are selling reliability you can't just resell somebody else's dsl. We have an OC3 feed with ds3's muxed off of it. Most of our customers can ping google in 20-30ms and our network is consistently switching 3-5 thousand packets per second.

Our dedicated links get there own ap and a priority path through our bandwidth management system. We sell 7meg burstable dedicated links for what a T1 would cost here which is around $500 a month and $750 per end for installation. We try not to sell this though since it causes rf congestion at the tower.

[Beebe]

Bandwidth is like money. It's worth whatever the market dictates in your area. In one area of the US it is worth many times the value it is in another area.

Of course reliability comes in to it, but for someone who is multihomed, that's not as much of a big deal. If you're selling a "real" connection, ie, one with static IPs and BGP, then you can charge properly for it.

Thanks,
Roger

P.S. Are you interested in selling me bandwidth, also?

[go.fast]

Charter is now selling 10 megs for 69 or 89$

[tog]

That's a cablemodem for a home user, not a dedicated Internet connection.

Of course many of us also provide similar sub-$100/mo "non-dedicated" services.

[go.fast]

True.

But the anti is being raised.

[kbldawg]

Bandwidth is like money. It's worth whatever the market dictates in your area. In one area of the US it is worth many times the value it is in another area.

Of course reliability comes in to it, but for someone who is multihomed, that's not as much of a big deal. If you're selling a "real" connection, ie, one with static IPs and BGP, then you can charge properly for it.

Thanks,
Roger

P.S. Are you interested in selling me bandwidth, also?

No hablo BGP...:D

Right now our Wireless Network is all statically routed, soon to be switching to OLSR. All our wired stuff (DSL, Dial-Up) will be speaking OSPF. I'll have to check with our sys admin about BGP, I know that's a must for you.

I'll check into it though.

PS.

I've been meaning to ask...Since we are so close, we should meet sometime. We'd love to have you come out and check out our setup, maybe go to lunch sometime.

[handyman]

When you are the "last-mile" provider as well as the backbone provider $100/mo/mbit for a dedicated connection is extremely reasonable.

For us, dedicated connection also means they're on my monitoring system and even while I sleep I could be awakened by a pager message telling me they are down. They get 24/7 monitoring and quick proactive attention.

$100/mo/mbit seems cheap assuming we're talking about the average use. A normal customer with, say, "1 Mbps" service will be inactive most of the time and you will amortize the cost of providing their service with lots of other similar ones. A customer who pulls a constant 1 Mps every minute of the day will probably cost you a lot more. That's the reason that a 1.5 Mbps T1 may cost $500/mo whereas 1.5 Mbps DSL can be priced at $30/mo. The average use of the T1 may be close to 1.5 Mbps whereas the average use of the DSL should be close to zero.

We would price a dedicated circuit at our cost of suppling that given amount of average bandwidth use, marked up to compensate ourselves at a reasonable rate.

[Beebe]

No hablo BGP...:D

I've been meaning to ask...Since we are so close, we should meet sometime. We'd love to have you come out and check out our setup, maybe go to lunch sometime.

I saw a TCW truck outside McDonalds in Searcy a couple of weeks ago. I wondered if it was you, but I couldn't tell who in the restauraunt owned the truck. It'd be great to come and see your setup. I'll buy lunch. You pick the day/time/restauraunt and I'll meet you there!

Thanks,
Roger

[cephlon]

I pay Time-Warner Cable $1400 for 5 megs Guaranteed fiber-optic line. They advertise that their cable internet is "up to 5 megs" but its averages about 1Mbps. I couldn't run my service off of that. Plus its a different type of SLA. If someone wants "Guarenteed" service, the price goes up substantially.