Roadmap

[lonnie]

People have been asking for our plans with respect to StarOS and more importantly V3 as it applies to x86 systems.

We recently have an agreement requiring v3 for x86 to replace v2 within 3 months. v2 images will be removed from the website at the time of v3 release for x86. The CPE version will also be removed. We will continue licensing the product for people who already have copies and wish to continue with it.

We will continue to develop v3 but our main focus is on the non x86 versions that we will be supplying with hardware that we are producing. x86 versions will not be as optimized, thus they will be slower and will lack certain features that we can take advantage of in a known, fixed hardware platform.

Currently we have development plans for these hardware platforms:

IXP-420 in both 4 and 2 mini PCI slots
This is for high performance AP and Client use.

MIPS (Atheros SOC or Realtek) with 1 mini PCI slot
This is for high performance Client use.

MIPS or ARM with multiple Ethernet, no mini PCI slots.
This is for a high end POP router / controller.

Please don't ask about pricing, but rather check out the website at http://www.star-os.com/. If a product is ready for market it will have pricing on the website. If we are not at that stage I am reluctant to get into price specifics and release dates are not a topic I will discuss either.

You can be assured that we will be attempting to capture market share through aggressive pricing and better software.

[titan_wireless]

Lonnie,

Thanks for the Roadmap. It is greatly appreciated!

[billr]

This is really cool and answers my questions very well !!
Thanks .

[SnR]

IXP-420 in both 4 and 2 mini PCI slots
This is for high performance AP and Client use.

MIPS (Atheros SOC or Realtek) with 1 mini PCI slot
This is for high performance Client use.

MIPS or ARM with multiple Ethernet, no mini PCI slots.
This is for a high end POP router / controller.

Where and when can we get these boards, and are they currently supported in v3 or is that coming in a later version.

[nelson05]

Could you clarify this a bit?


We recently have an agreement requiring v3 for x86 to replace v2 within 3 months. v2 images will be removed from the website at the time of v3 release for x86. The CPE version will also be removed.


An agreement between who? Are you saying that the first v3 for x86 will be released in three months or is the release of this version imminent and all v2 customers that wish to upgrade their v2 based systems to v3, must do so in three months?


We will continue licensing the product for people who already have copies and wish to continue with it.


Are you saying that if someone downloads the last v2 version before v3 for x86 is released and stores this image on their own system, they will be able to load the image to new equipment and receive an activation key, just as they do now?

[luka]

Thanks for this clarification.
Do you have specific plans which SOC (Atheros/Realtek) you plan to support and rougly when? Will you be hardware supplier for those boards too?
Ath/Rtl socs may help cutting price down for end-customers cpes and combined with good firmware you will hopefully provide can be interesting option.

[tony]

Little Q&A:

Q: When will v3 for x86 be released?
A: Within 3 months. When it is released, v2 development will be discontinued, and will no longer be provided for download from our site.

Q: Will we be able to continue purchasing license keys for v2 after it is removed from your website? (assuming we have a local copy)
A: The license-keys.com website will still be operational, and will offer v2/v3 license keys.

Q: When will the other platforms be released?
A: They will be released when they are ready. Development is still early, and no known release dates have been set.

[Mark]

Yeah, an agreement between whom? Obviously not US and them, they have some third party or parties with whom they negotiated what they'll sell US...

This is the 2nd time we've discovered that WISP's are at least 2nd or maybe 3rd in line when it comes to influencing what decisions they make about products and support and features.

[go.fast]

Where and when can we get these boards, and are they currently supported in v3 or is that coming in a later version.

Well the 2 port and 4 port war boards,( IXP-420 in both 4 and 2 mini PCI slots), are here now and have been for a few months.

V3 makes them more usefull than before. I can tell you when used side by side verses a wrap, the war is faster. I wil be replacing my ap's with wars after the V3 is out of beta. I'll use the wraps for low end customer.

I have a bunch of wraps that I'd like to ugrade to cloaking, but I won't buy another wrap again.

War is IXP-420.

George

[go.fast]

Yeah, an agreement between whom? Obviously not US and them

Mark, get a grip, the agreement is betwen them and us, their customers.

They asked via the poll, they got a strong answer that said don't let us down and make us loose our investment in x86 and especialy wrap boards and he answeed back just now in this thread before you posted your remark that they would provide upgrade licenses for all v2.

I don't recall Lonnie letting us down or lying to us before.

At least he put his head on the line and did a pol in the first place and asked us what we thought.

George

[tony]

As products evolve, so does the software. We only have so much man power, and need to place our focus on a common platform. This platform is V3. We have agreed to provide continued x86 support, as requested from many of our WISP users and partners. As such, we will be unable to continue v2 development, and support once V3 for x86 is released.

Our future direction is outlined in Lonnie's message.

[Mark]

Could you clarify this a bit?



Are you saying that if someone downloads the last v2 version before v3 for x86 is released and stores this image on their own system, they will be able to load the image to new equipment and receive an activation key, just as they do now?

That's part's clear. There will be no downloads of staros in the future to flash on your own hardware. There will only be upgrades.

[tony]

V3 x86 will be available for download and install on new hardware, in addition to upgrading existing v2 systems.

We are committed in continuing x86 development in addition to our own hardware platforms.

[lonnie]

The thing I said was to check the website. If you see the board on the Hardware page, with a status of shipping and a price list, it is available. If it is not on the website it is not yet completed and we are not saying anything further. I will not be discussing price or date, so you really have to check the website for that information.

Where and when can we get these boards, and are they currently supported in v3 or is that coming in a later version.

[nelson05]

Thanks for the information. Sounds very reasonable to me though I guess we'll have to wait for the pricing. :) I'm just very thankful that my investment in the WRAP will not be wasted and can live with v3 for x86 not being the fastest or most optimized version available.


Since cloaking is our biggest reason for moving to v3, I wanted to confirm it will be supported on the x86 version. Is this the case? Will there still be an additional charge for the feature to provide the royalty payment Lonnie discussed previously? How about for the other platforms (Atheros SOC or Realtek)? Will there be an extra charge to enable cloaking on these platforms as well?

I'm surprised to hear you mention Realtek. I would have thought the benefits of the Atheros chipset and all of the work that you've put into the driver would make the cost savings of the Realtek insignificant, especially if you are looking at Atheros' SOC. Can the Realtek hardware even support cloaking? For us, that would be a deal breaker and ensure we remain with Atheros.

[tony]

We mention realtek as it's a low cost SoC that has mini-pci capabilities. If course, it would contain an Atheros card.

[lonnie]

TOTALLY AMAZING. I post good news and you pick it to shreds over who is making for the sped up release. Why do you care? As long as you get what you want, why on earth would you even gripe about it? Get a grip will you?

Yeah, an agreement between whom? Obviously not US and them, they have some third party or parties with whom they negotiated what they'll sell US...

This is the 2nd time we've discovered that WISP's are at least 2nd or maybe 3rd in line when it comes to influencing what decisions they make about products and support and features.

[lonnie]

There will be no downloads of v2 after we release v3x86. We will continue to license it for people who have a copy but we are not wanting to encourage it for support reasons.

That's part's clear. There will be no downloads of staros in the future to flash on your own hardware. There will only be upgrades.

[lonnie]

The various products we are working on will all be on the web site with prices when they are available. Until they make it to the website they are not available and I am not prepared to provide guesses as to when they will be available and at what price they will be.

We will be the supplier for the boards in question and you will not be able to obtain a competitive board and use our software on it. It will only work for boards that we provide.

We are evaluating and will be starting the code process for our Client unit once WEP is released. That will be the last feature we will add for 4 weeks or so.

Thanks for this clarification.
Do you have specific plans which SOC (Atheros/Realtek) you plan to support and rougly when? Will you be hardware supplier for those boards too?
Ath/Rtl socs may help cutting price down for end-customers cpes and combined with good firmware you will hopefully provide can be interesting option.

[go.fast]

We will be the supplier for the boards in question and you will not be able to obtain a competitive board and use our software on it. It will only work for boards that we provide.

" MIPS or ARM with multiple Ethernet, no mini PCI slots.
This is for a high end POP router / controller."

Ok, this would be nice to have in 8 port or more configurations if we could.

George

[rbolduc]

V3 x86 will be available for download and install on new hardware, in addition to upgrading existing v2 systems.

We are committed in continuing x86 development in addition to our own hardware platforms.


I'am all for this!!! dumb question but are their any plans to keep/not keep the radius server and caching server on any platform? That was my only gripe on keeping x86 stuff.. as for WAR's I will be looking into replacing my busier pop's and transferring the WRAPS to client/low bandwidth use..

You guys have put up with a lot of stress latley... deep breath...then v3 then vacation :)

Reed

[ninedd]

We will be the supplier for the boards in question and you will not be able to obtain a competitive board and use our software on it. It will only work for boards that we provide.So to clarify, we will not be able to purchase ANY of the mentioned boards (WAR/ARM//WRAP/MIPS/ETC) and purchase your software, at any price, on them? So for V3, you are now the exclusive hardware supplier then?

[Ick]

A few questions, hopefully not stupid ones:

V3 does not support Prisim, is that correct?

Will V3 support PCMCIA?

Will there be a WRAP version of V3?

[tony]

"V3 does not support Prisim, is that correct?"
That is correct,

"Will V3 support PCMCIA?"
No, this is not a planned feature.

"Will there be a WRAP version of V3?"
Yes. The WRAP will be supported by V3.

[tony]

So to clarify, we will not be able to purchase ANY of the mentioned boards (WAR/ARM//WRAP/MIPS/ETC) and purchase your software, at any price, on them? So for V3, you are now the exclusive hardware supplier then?
We are the hardware supplier for the WAR, and other non-x86 platforms. The WRAP, and other x86 platforms will be available as a software download much like V2 is today.

[Ick]

Is there a chance that V3 will fix the well known problem of Prisim clients not associating to a CM9 reliably?

[tony]

This is something we have been working towards, yes. So far, the V3 Atheros support has had excellent feedback, with no known client incompatibilities. (at least, none that I'm aware of at this point in time).

[tog]

You're going to offer a cheap CPE solution? That's exciting. It sounds like you're going to work on it sooner rather than later, too.

Sounds like you've got your work cut out for you if you've got 3 months to get v3 ready for x86 AND you're also working on a port to a cheaper hardware platform for CPE use.

[Ick]

This is very positive. If it doesn't fix the problem, I am going to be in a bad situation.

Currently I cannot upgrade to V3 because it won't support Prisim. I can't change to Atheros because of my cheap CPE's.

V3 fixing this means I can stay with Star-os!!!

[go.fast]

You're going to offer a cheap CPE solution?

This is what I've been looking for since day 1

Sure they will be the ONLY supplier, but then the price should come way down.

Consider the wrap, anyone can buy them from the source for the qty price you bought at.

The best deal was in the thousands piece order, but most buyers never seen that price because they bought much smaller qty.

So the resellers of the boards sold them to us at a higher price. And the manufacturer wasn't as willing to drop his price because there was everyone and their uncle buying small qty at bigprices.

Lonnie will be buying thousand board orders, and the price should reflect that back to us.

And then there is the design of the board and what components are specified on the board. This is Lonnie's calls as well.

I'm sure he's going to build what works best for the os, not try to hack the os to work with the next variation of components to come down the pike.


MT sells their RB boards and they are the only supplier of them, why isn't anyone complaining there?

Seems like Lonnie's taken the most efficient and productive path of development.

George

[lonnie]

The less expensive CPE will be closer to the IXP code so it will not be as big of a job,and all systems share a common code base. It is just that x86 has Endian issues in the low level code and takes a lot of effort and testing to find them all. We are evaluating and developing for the CPE as I write this.

We have an Agreement to have the CPE released about 2 weeks after the x86 code is ready. I hope this does not anger anybody.

Did you guys see the the TFYP sale? Check the web site for details. Let others know if you can.

You're going to offer a cheap CPE solution? That's exciting. It sounds like you're going to work on it sooner rather than later, too.

Sounds like you've got your work cut out for you if you've got 3 months to get v3 ready for x86 AND you're also working on a port to a cheaper hardware platform for CPE use.

[lonnie]

The latest beta should take care of the prism issue.

This is very positive. If it doesn't fix the problem, I am going to be in a bad situation.

Currently I cannot upgrade to V3 because it won't support Prisim. I can't change to Atheros because of my cheap CPE's.

V3 fixing this means I can stay with Star-os!!!

[go.fast]

Did you guys see the the TFYP sale? Check the web site for details. Let others know if you can.

Here's the deal:
10 pack pricing $2,419.65 ($241.90 per kit)

12 boards YSYL deal $2,419.65/12= 201.64 each

201.64 minus 2 cm9 cards @ 50.00 each $101.64 per board

Good deal in my book.

How much is a 2 slot wrap with flash memory and license?

George

[lonnie]

You have to understand that it takes alot of effort to support a particular piece of hardware and we must be compensated for that. Any profit going to another hardware vendor is just skimming the cream from our effort. Let them develop their own software.

Also, you miss the point that non x86 systems have no standard for hardware and no BIOS to make bootup a sure thing. Every board is different, thus when we choose a board and support it, we support THAT particular board only.

You also cannot simply copy a flash with a USB writer. It takes a JTAG device and special software to do it. Many of you know that we do not have the time for teaching and advising you guys how to do that sort of task. We do it, you use it has to be the way we move forward.

So that is probably more than you wanted or needed to know.

So to clarify, we will not be able to purchase ANY of the mentioned boards (WAR/ARM//WRAP/MIPS/ETC) and purchase your software, at any price, on them? So for V3, you are now the exclusive hardware supplier then?

[lonnie]

Don't forget that we also include the POE injector.

Here's the deal:
10 pack pricing $2,419.65 ($241.90 per kit)

12 boards YSYL deal $2,419.65/12= 201.64 each

201.64 minus 2 cm9 cards @ 50.00 each $101.64 per board

Good deal in my book.

How much is a 2 slot wrap with flash memory and license?

George

[Ick]

The latest beta should take care of the prism issue.

Lonnie,

I can tell you that the latest beta version does not fix the Prisim problem, at least for me. No matter what I try, at 3 of my access points, Atheros will not associate the Prisim clients. The AP can see them, they cannot see the AP.

I do have this working on 2 other AP's. Both of those sites are running 2.10.0, 4693.

I have spent weeks on this trying to make this work.

[lonnie]

I don't have any way of testing that. have you tried the various b only and b/g settings for mode and set to LONG preamble?

Are those units doing a 4 address type of bridge? We do not support that and many client bridges use that method of doing a bridge. It means they cannot work on a routed AP.

We found the DWL900AP+ was picky and needed you to enter the AP MAC address. Fortunately they are in the garbage and replaced with WAR boards and the custoemrs asre way happier.

You might have to just accept the fact that you made a bad choice in CPE hardware and begin to replace them.

[tony]

If anybody can test these problem prism clients with a V3 WAR AP, please report your results. The V3 Atheros 802.11b support is quite good.

[tony]

Ick,

When you say 'Prism', are you using this in a general term, or are these actual Prism (aka original Intersil Prism 2/2.5/3) cards? What CPE are you having issues with, and what hardware are they running under? Is there an option on the CPE to select between short and long preamble?

If you know the firmware version of the Prism card, that will help. We would like to find a way to duplicate your problem.

To date, all the Prism2/3 and Lucent clients we have tested seem to work without issues using any of the various card firmware releases.

[Ick]

I don't have any way of testing that. have you tried the various b only and b/g settings for mode and set to LONG preamble?

Yes, we have tired all of the settings.

Are those units doing a 4 address type of bridge? We do not support that and many client bridges use that method of doing a bridge. It means they cannot work on a routed AP.
I'm not sure on the 4 address type of bridge, I do know that we have CB3's and CPE200's on 2 AP's that work with the Prisim clients. We have tried many times to duplicate the AP's that work with no success. And yes, we are using routed AP's.

[Ick]

Ick,

When you say 'Prism', are you using this in a general term, or are these actual Prism (aka original Intersil Prism 2/2.5/3) cards? What CPE are you having issues with, and what hardware are they running under? Is there an option on the CPE to select between short and long preamble?

If you know the firmware version of the Prism card, that will help. We would like to find a way to duplicate your problem.

To date, all the Prism2/3 and Lucent clients we have tested seem to work without issues using any of the various card firmware releases.

Somewhat general term, we are using the CB3's and CPE200's which have the Prisim chipset as I understand. The problem I am having on 3 AP's is that the AP can see the client, the client cannot see the AP. We had a CB3 on the client end, and never could get the wlan light to light, which means they were not associated. But they did show up in the association list in Star-os. I have checked both CPE's and did not see an option for preamble, or the firmware of the Prisim card.

[tony]

Thank you for the information. I do believe the CB3's do contain a Prism card. If memory serves, the CPE200 is basically a repackaged CB3, so there is a good chance it would have the same issue.

If anybody has any test results for V3 and CB3 / CPE200 clients, please let us know.

[go.fast]

I should add an experience we've had.

We've put cm9's in or laptops and found that in my laptop I can connect to a 200mw mini pci card in a star wrap with the latest firmware, but my partner sitting next to me with his laptop using a cm9 can't even see the ap. Both laptops are the same with the same firmware.

We've seen this a couple of times, just chalked it up as wierd. And an incompatability issue.

George

[lonnie]

Just to be sure, did you set the distance to some figure of 2 miles more than your farthest client? In order to associate you must see two nummbers on the Atheros association and not one number and a * as in -72/* which indicates that the ACK packet was seen but no data packet and that is usually the result of distance setting not being set or being set too low.

Somewhat general term, we are using the CB3's and CPE200's which have the Prisim chipset as I understand. The problem I am having on 3 AP's is that the AP can see the client, the client cannot see the AP. We had a CB3 on the client end, and never could get the wlan light to light, which means they were not associated. But they did show up in the association list in Star-os. I have checked both CPE's and did not see an option for preamble, or the firmware of the Prisim card.

[Ick]

Just to be sure, did you set the distance to some figure of 2 miles more than your farthest client? In order to associate you must see two nummbers on the Atheros association and not one number and a * as in -72/* which indicates that the ACK packet was seen but no data packet and that is usually the result of distance setting not being set or being set too low.

Yes, we tried playing around with the TX power over ride and the Link distance. We did however see the send and receive signal, ie -72/-72. But on the client end, it did not show associated.

[ninedd]

10 pack pricing $2,419.65 ($241.90 per kit)
12 boards YSYL deal $2,419.65/12= 201.64 each
201.64 minus 2 cm9 cards @ 50.00 each $101.64 per board
But they're out of stock when I go to place an order. I see the new prices on Friday, and on Monday when I go to place and order, there are no 266 boards available, no WARtennas available, no bare boards even posted on the website.

[titan_wireless]

Thats kind of a bummer, huh.

[tog]

Holy crap, they sold a ton! I think there were 1000 WAR4s and 300 WAR2s when I went to buy. Now there are 300 WAR4s and 0 WAR2s.

I hope it doesn't take too long to ship all of that.

[lonnie]

When we sell all that we have it seems like a proper time to end a sale. Some people really did well with the sale. Some people figured it was a good thing and possibly spent too much time thinking. The beauty of an online store is that it is open on weekends and 24 hours a day.

But they're out of stock when I go to place an order. I see the new prices on Friday, and on Monday when I go to place and order, there are no 266 boards available, no WARtennas available, no bare boards even posted on the website.

[rafamous]

Does anyone know if the new Tranzeo CPQ work with the WAR cm9 setup?

Yes, Lonnie I regret the fact that my system was totally set up with the prism pcmcia as the base. Has worked very well for me but all the manufacturers are abandoning it. It looks like I will have to install a WAR system on top of my current system to continue to grow.

In the StarVX software, in the association list, is a person able to see the IP's associated to mac's? I see there's an Extended button is that what that is for?

There's blizzard like weather here and I have a tower down that is 1.5 hours away. Looks like it's staying down. Oh well.

[lonnie]

You have to double click the association items and it brings up a screen with more infor, one item of which is the last IP seen going through the system.

Does anyone know if the new Tranzeo CPQ work with the WAR cm9 setup?

Yes, Lonnie I regret the fact that my system was totally set up with the prism pcmcia as the base. Has worked very well for me but all the manufacturers are abandoning it. It looks like I will have to install a WAR system on top of my current system to continue to grow.

In the StarVX software, in the association list, is a person able to see the IP's associated to mac's? I see there's an Extended button is that what that is for?

There's blizzard like weather here and I have a tower down that is 1.5 hours away. Looks like it's staying down. Oh well.

[go.fast]

Some people really did well with the sale. Some people figured it was a good thing and possibly spent too much time thinking..

I'm glad I took adavantage of that YSYL sale.

Great deal it was.


George

[go.fast]

Yes, Lonnie I regret the fact that my system was totally set up with the prism pcmcia as the base. Has worked very well for me but all the manufacturers are abandoning it. It looks like I will have to install a WAR system on top of my current system to continue to grow.


I'm in the same boat as you are.
And I'm doing the same thing as you are thinking. I'm just adding a war next to a wrap and eventually will phase out the prism type radios.
I'm also going to 2.4 G cloaking x2 for all my ap's.Which is really the greatest benefit of the new system, for me anyways.

George

[rafamous]

I'm in the same boat as you are.
And I'm doing the same thing as you are thinking. I'm just adding a war next to a wrap and eventually will phase out the prism type radios.
I'm also going to 2.4 G cloaking x2 for all my ap's.Which is really the greatest benefit of the new system, for me anyways.

George

I will have to do a search on the 2.4 G cloaking x2. What is the benifit? Speed? Less crowding?

[tony]

With cloaking 4x in 11g mode, you get 11 non-overlapping channels that can get 5Mbit or more performance.

Of course depending on the country, you may get more channels available to you.

[rafamous]

oooooh.... I like.. I like..

[go.fast]

I will have to do a search on the 2.4 G cloaking x2. What is the benifit? Speed? Less crowding?

Consider this. The typical 80211b/g uses a 20MHz "wide" chunk of the 2.4GHz spectrum.
With cloaking, you have a choice to use only 10MHz or 5MHz wide chunk of spectrum.

The benefit is clear.
With G you get better performance, but when you cloak you reduce throughut.
But a 10MHz cloaked G channel will give you more than a full 802.11b
channel.

Ditto for the 5GHz cloaking as well.


George

[ninedd]

Some people figured it was a good thing and possibly spent too much time thinking.Any idea when you're getting WAR-2's back in stock so that I can try and plan around it? I could order in a few more WRAP's for now I guess, but that seems a waste.

Also, are you going to be selling bare WAR boards anymore? I see they are removed from the site - does this indicate just a sold out, or is that product no longer going to be available like that?

Thank you.

[lonnie]

War 2 boards will be about 3 weeks for stock. Bare boards are now back on a YSYL sale with very attractive pricing on 25 packs.

We use quads everywhere except client side. You have no idea how nice it is to have an extra radio or two all ready to go, and on the tower and everything. For the price difference and the cost of tower climbs I recommend that you only use Quad WAR boards for backhaul and repeater use. They do a backhaul and three channels of 2.4 GHz. They are easier to cable in and routing is easier. Easier to login to one unit instead of two.

Any idea when you're getting WAR-2's back in stock so that I can try and plan around it? I could order in a few more WRAP's for now I guess, but that seems a waste.

Also, are you going to be selling bare WAR boards anymore? I see they are removed from the site - does this indicate just a sold out, or is that product no longer going to be available like that?

Thank you.

[dastring]

I am using the WAR 2 Beta 11.

WAR is an AP.

Client is a CB3 in Bridge mode. It is working fine.

Doug Stringer
dastring

[butchkemper]

War 2 boards will be about 3 weeks for stock.
The above quote was posted on 21 March. Do you have an updated ETA on the availability of Dual WAR Boards?

Butch

[go.fast]

Yah, I'm just about out myself.

Hopefully you will have a "new shipment party" and run a you snooze you looze special to see how many you can sell in the first 72hours..

The last deal was a good one.

Thanks
George

[lonnie]

Good News -> I have a huge shipment that was sent today. It will arrive here by the end of next week.

Bad News -> It could be sold out before it even gets here.

Good News -> I advanced the build date and the next batch is being built and will be shipping to me by the end of April instead of 3rd week of May.

Should I put a BUY button back on? I have been quietly taking larger orders with wire transfer because some PayPal customers objected to delayed shipment. I should give you guys a chance to get in on it, or you can contact me and wire the funds.

[go.fast]

Good News -> I have a huge shipment that was sent today. It will arrive here by the end of next week.

Bad News -> It could be sold out before it even gets here.

I should give you guys a chance to get in on it, or you can contact me and wire the funds.

Lonnie, put me down for another 25 - 2 port boards.
I absolutely need more boards. At the rate I'm going I will be out by Friday.

George

[lonnie]

The website has buy buttons for duals again, and WarTennas. Note the price drops. I am sure this trend will continue as we build our volume with each order. Your 266 MHz single radio now goes for $161.84 in 25 packs and a bare 266 MHz is $125.12 in 25 packs. I will also be shipping the WarTennas again and note their new pricing of $195.84 per kit in 25 packs.

We'll be using eBay for smaller sales with 3 day listings.

[go.fast]

I will also be shipping the WarTennas again and note their new pricing of $195.84 per kit in 25 packs.


Are the Wartennas 5 gig as well?


Check out the warpeater

http://www.oregonfast.net/~gofast/Warpeaters/warpeaters%20009.jpg (http://www.oregonfast.net/%7Egofast/Warpeaters/warpeaters%20009.jpg)

George

[nelson05]

In looking at the Wartennas I see... "1 piece Compex WL54G radio card rated 23 dB"

What are the specs on these cards? A google search lists these as prism based cardbus adapters. I'm sure that can't be right. What happened to our trusty CM9s?

[tony]

We have been evaluating the WL54G for quite some time, and find it very good for the WarTennas. They are slightly higher power & gain, based on the AR5006 chipset, and are 802.11b/g only. (which is ideal for the WarTenna).

[lonnie]

I have evaluated and ordered the 5 GHz but no stock yet. They rock, though and we'll not require any 2 foot dishes from now on.

[Bossman]

I am using the WAR 2 Beta 11.
WAR is an AP.
Client is a CB3 in Bridge mode. It is working fine.
Doug Stringer

We have a slightly different setup.

We have WAR clients (b15 & b16) connecting to WRAP AP's with Prisim radios and this works well also. All of our WAR's so far have gone in as WAR AP's -> WAR Clients with 4x cloaking.

[Bossman]

I have evaluated and ordered the 5 GHz but no stock yet. They rock, though and we'll not require any 2 foot dishes from now on.

Can you qualify this? no need for 2' dishes at what distances? We have some links with 3' solid dishes on one end and 2' grids on the other.

Will you be able to put 4 of these in a WAR4?

[lonnie]

The units are 24 to 25 dB and a 2 foot dish is 28 dB, so we feel it will be adequate as a replacement for the 2 foot dishes.

If you have multiples, then you'll need 2 foot dishes, since the WarTenna is not really suited for external use.

We use ours for 5.x GHz incoming and 3 cloaked AP units at 2.4 GHz. Microcells are great ways to build out and blanket an area. My goal is to have everyone able to see at least 3 radios from separate directions.

Can you qualify this? no need for 2' dishes at what distances? We have some links with 3' solid dishes on one end and 2' grids on the other.

Will you be able to put 4 of these in a WAR4?

[gregclemmons]

Lonnie,
are we still on track for this time frame?

We recently have an agreement requiring v3 for x86 to replace v2 within 3 months. v2 images will be removed from the website at the time of v3 release for x86. The CPE version will also be removed. We will continue licensing the product for people who already have copies and wish to continue with it.
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[lonnie]

It'll slip but will be pretty close.

[gmaguire]

It'll slip but will be pretty close.


Hi Lonnie, When can we expect v3 to be released for the wrap platform ?

Thanks,
Ger.

[lonnie]

The end of June is the target date. I admit we could slip a bit, but it is real close and works fine. We are just working out the final details of configs and licensing so that it is compatible with the WAR version. We want a common code base to ease maintenance.

[gmaguire]

Does V3 have the capability of running multiple or virtual essid's on the same wireless card ?

On a seperate note can we get visability on what the enhancement features you are planning for the next 12 months ? SNMP, hotspot etc. I'm not asking for definite dates just an overview of where the development effort is will be focused going forward or the current features requests with a priortiy rating.

Thanks,
Ger.

[lonnie]

V3 currently does not have multiple ESSID.

The roadmap is sort of this:

- multiple ESSID, WPA 1&2, radius authentication

- HotSpot, PPPoE client and server

- web based GUI

- SNMP

[go.fast]

you left out voip qos.

[tony]

That is only a small update to the Atheros support, and not classified as a major feature. It will be included soon.

[mastermindpro]

So, any idea on the timeline for WPA? I guess I didn't look closely enough at the v3 State of the Union list when I purchased my first WAR the other day...

[lonnie]

It is work in progress and I never provide dates for completion, at least until we get closer. You can measure the wait in months.

[molsen]

Will V3 have hotspot support added?

Will it support WRAP boards?

If yes, when will it be released?

[lonnie]

All of these questions have already been asked and answered. For those that want it all in one place, in order of question asked:
Yes, Yes, We never give dates for releases.

It will be released when it is ready.

Will V3 have hotspot support added?

Will it support WRAP boards?

If yes, when will it be released?

[simcor23]

I was just wondering about something Tony had posted a few months ago that you guys were 60% done on IAPP for mobile IP. Just wondering if that is still in the works and if any more progress has been made in that area. It is the only thing that I require at this point that is holding me back from accomplishing a project I have been sorting out in my head for quite some time now and I am ready to start putting this project in motion.

Thanks

[lonnie]

Things came up.

[simcor23]

Eventaully though, cause that would be cool. I sure a could do alot more srudying in the mean time

[simcor23]

great english eh!

[lonnie]

Spell checkers are wonderful. I just wish I would always remember to use them. As long as you get your point across it does not really matter. and a typo will not get you roasted.

[gaf@bluerivernet.com]

Just a few comments:

1) Giving us a roadmap was both useful and courageous...I worked for IBM for more than 20 years and not even Big Blue had the cojones to give a roadmap..

2) Noone is concerned more than I am about longevity of investment but all things have a life span...We wisps should be striving for a 3-5 year life for our hardware/software investments from an ROI point of view, but, knowing that Acer's motherboard life cycle is 90 days, we wisps must acknowledge the trade off is in ROI vs...being state of the art...

If your market is in EBF, Egypt, then, perhaps you can hang on for the full ROI..But if you are in markets with Comcast, Cox, Sprint and Verizon breathing down your tail, then, what u hope for is a way to leave the competition in the dust at a price your customers can afford...

3) Valemount seems to have their finger on the pulse of WISP survival..sure some of the messages we receive are tough to hear but, bottom line from where I sit is "product delivered, promises kept, future bright"....

No, Lonnie didn't pay me to say this...It is, indeed, the truth...

Greg

[DrLove73]

I do not think there is many of us on forums that do not agree with you. :-D

[Beebe]

Amen!